Wallet Suspension Appeal: RiseB

No.

You don’t get to re-pick your punishment here bud. You had a say in the matter, when you voted the process into effect. You do the crime, you do the time.

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First, please do not use “we” and speak for me (for example). If you do not trust him anymore than speak for youself, not for the complete community, you are not GOD here :wink:
Second, please do not call Rise asking for ban “without consequences”. It is a kind of normal that consequences depending to damage. He do not ask for ban without consequences, he will pay back with punishment and accept a temporaly ban. That is not “say sorry and I am fine”.
I guess you live not at small isle or autocratic country - where is only highest punishment okay, because it is easier.
I am sure a 6 month ban would be punishment too which could be acceptable. If you do not trust him anymore . okay. But I am sure he would do never again - it is called second chance which is quite normal at democracy - no?

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No, thats not normal at all. Consequences depend upon the rules (What most places call Laws) that are set. The rules in this case call for a BAN. If we wanted to include a lesser tier of punishment, then that should have been decided when the ban proposal was implemented.

Your asking us to change the rules now for your friend, because you think its too harsh. But your friend knew the rules and the consequences before he chose to STEAL from this community. The punishment for breaking that rule, is a ban, and we @Rise even voted in agreeance of this!

Its not up to him to decide his own punishment. Thats why we have rules in place for things like this, so it is very clear and easy to know how to handle it. In the case of Rise, its a lifetime ban.

Where I live has nothing to do with your friend breaking the rules, and receiving the punishment that he previously agreed to as ok. Why did he accept the punishment when the proposal was voted in? He cant claim its too harsh now, just because he was the one caught stealing.

This is NOT what the community and DAO have agreed upon as acceptable. The agreed upon acceptable punishment is a ban. @Rise voted in support of this proposal, containing this punishment.

Did you think he was going to do it the first time? He did it once, whats stopping him from doing it again?

If somebody steals from you, how many times are you going to keep letting them back into your home before you kick them out for good? Once? Twice? Three times?

Well our DAO voted that if you steal from us ONE TIME you get kicked out for good. @Rise voted yes to this as well.

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(1) That’s bs, of course it is a different if someone steal 1m$ or 100$. Punishment always depending to damage and it should here too. The „permanent ban“ is not the on and only punishment here, it’s the max possible - ofc LG or DAO is able to handle that punishment and make difference. That’s all what I was try to saying - you are not the DAO and permanent ban is not the only way.
I do not ask for changing the rules, I ask for talking about the punishment. The rules are: proposal can me make and DAO can make decision. And DAO was not able to make a decision because of some Councils stopped it.

(2) Rise did not make his own punishment, he said he will accept the proposal of one or two members who wrote 6 month ban. Don’t change the truth here. Stop kidding me.

(3) I don’t know if he did similar before and I don’t know if he will do in the future again. But I also don’t know if you would do similar in the future if you find an exploit. You could do - so should a make a proposal for ban you because it could happen? What’s wrong with you? He is not a criminal guy I guess, he made that shit and see that this was no good idea, so why can’t give him a second chance? That’s a kind of democracy living - there is not black or white in our life.

(4) what a dumb comparison - if someone steal from my home ofc I would not invite him to me anymore.
But first of all - treasury of the game is not mine, the owner is more or LG or DAO community (decision of ban was made by 10 councils only here), second - the money was not stolen with weapons or own crime action, it was a exploit / bug of the game. So if I make a mistake by throwing my money on the street I can’t be surprised if someone take it. This was a mistake / fault by LG. So do not make such a dumb comparison, he did not open a window and stole something from my house.

I do not ask for a free-Rise action without punishment, I ask for fair DAO poll with maybe temporarily ban of 6 month or longer. He will learn his lesson, I am sure.
And please note: he is not my friend, he is a online guy which I know since 2 years. I would do the same for other people I had that friendly contact playing CU too. So stop writing „your friend“ to show everyone here that you are the big neutral guy and I am biased.
I did lot read many things from you the last 2 years, I guess you stopped playing already? So why you so active here now? Are you bored or what?

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The crime your charge with is dependent upon the damage. The punishment is dependent on the crime. In this case, Rise STOLE from the DAO. The crime is theft from the contract, and the punishment is lifetime ban. Dont try and act like he didnt do the most serious crime possible here in CU.

Here is his own words, where he wants to offer us alternative punishments for himself. I’m not changing any truth.

Nobody knows, the only thing we have to go off of, is his previous actions. And if his future actions are anything like his previous actions, he is going to steal again, but will be more creative next time.

YES, he is a criminal. He STOLE from the Crypto Unicorns DAO.

You say it yourself here at the end. The comparison makes sense, because the treasury of the game, is like our (the community/DAOs) house.

It dosent matter how you steal it. It was stolen, and you admit it yourself here that what he did is steal.

They money wasnt thrown in the street, it was sitting inside the house. If you leave your window open, and someone steals something from your window, is it ok becuase you left your window open? NO.

We have a process in place for this already, why would we need to do another poll?

I’m POSITIVE that he is learning his lesson right now, by having all of his assets banned. It is probably sinking in just how serious it was, and how foolish it was to steal.

I’m writing your friend, because he is your friend. I’m not neutral at all, i’m very bias against the theif ever returning to our community, and i’ve been very vocal about that. Not trying to hide it.

Huh? I’m around all the time. Check my wallet for recent events if you really want.

I’m active on a lot of governance proposals, its public, you can look for yourself.

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I guess we should stop that here. Seems to be senseless talking with Rise enemy about that theme anymore.
If you know 0 or 1 only in your world I am happy we do not know each other in real life. I am happy that we have people in the world who are able to give second chances and can forgive mistakes or weighing punishments.
Otherwise it would be sad world.
Wish you all the best.

What is the process of changing the punishement ? @lgManicUnicorn
Should @Rise remake an appeal with the different request ?

They just edit the proposal with the options of

No change
(Punishment A)
(Punishment B)

But I see Rise has made that edit already.

So new proposal is a forced HODL in bear & unlock in full bull market, that’s called a reward, not a punishment :rofl:

Authors intentions with this proposal that doesn’t mention the massive number of accounts he used to exploit & also the actual amount of RBW attempted to be extracted is pretty clear.

Author thinks community is dumb & that he can talk of 750 & 900 RBW while the actual amount attempted in exploit is greater that 200k. LG was just faster to stop the remaining amount being drained.

Author’s intentions in his own words are pretty clear, to: ‘fack lg in the ass’

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Thank you for submitting a appeal to suspension/ban. Appreciate it was written in correct format. I am in favor of sending proposal to snapshot to voted on by DAO.

Editing this. Why I thought it was in correct format. Appeals are yes or no vote and not multiple choice. Would be great to have this withdrawn and resubmitted. I will have to vote no on appeal in current format.

RiseB…

The language in the current ban proposal reflects a need for a YES or NO vote for the suspension to be either be “lifted” or “upheld” vs a choice for different lifted options which would require quadratic voting.

You might want to pull your proposal and modify it.
Then resubmit.

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Hello, everyone!
The council review for this session has ended with the following result:

Pass: 5
Fail: 6

For this reason, the proposal will not be moving to Snapshot.
Thank you for your participation in the discussion.